A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

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Andrew Reid
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A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Sun 05 Jul, 2020 10:22 am

For those of you who have never done a Gogen puzzle, I created this one.
If it takes you much more than 10 or 20 minutes, you are probably doing it wrong:
https://andrewspuzzles.blogspot.com/202 ... -no-1.html
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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by pinkagape » Sun 05 Jul, 2020 7:46 pm

Thank you.

I like Gogen. I’m a little surprised I’ve never seen it in a puzzling event.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Thu 04 Feb, 2021 11:04 pm

Here is another gogen puzzle for you to try:
https://andrewspuzzles.blogspot.com/202 ... -no-2.html

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by jupilogy » Fri 05 Feb, 2021 12:27 am

Wow! I've never done gogen before but that was fun.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Fri 05 Feb, 2021 8:15 am

I believe you don't see them in many places because, unlike sudoku and similar puzzles, they are not easy to produce by computer. I first saw them in the London Evening Standard. I did some programming last year to help me create them but, even so, each one takes a couple of hours or so to set up.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Puzzle_Maestro » Fri 05 Feb, 2021 8:23 am

I'm not sure that this is a valid argument because puzzling events are almost exclusively hand-crafted. And besides there are plenty of puzzle genres in which I have basically never seen a computer-generated puzzle.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by kiwijam » Fri 05 Feb, 2021 9:18 pm

I've seen a few versions, under different names. There've been a few optimisers (how many of these words can you fit inside this grid), and it was in the WPC maybe 6 years ago.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by GarethMoore » Sat 06 Feb, 2021 3:23 am

I can't see why they would be hard to computer generate anyway, and the newspaper ones presumably are. Its easy to make a random solution grid and then you just need a simple brute force solver to allow you to remove given letters to the limit of uniqueness, or test for uniqueness with a fixed given pattern.

You can of course also make them without actual words, as for example in this one with just a single clue:
https://www.reddit.com/r/puzzles/commen ... _the_2020/

Lots of computer-generated ones on this site: http://www.puzzles.grosse.is-a-geek.com ... gen6b.html

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Sun 28 Feb, 2021 8:22 pm

Puzzle_Maestro wrote:
Fri 05 Feb, 2021 8:23 am
I'm not sure that this is a valid argument because puzzling events are almost exclusively hand-crafted. And besides there are plenty of puzzle genres in which I have basically never seen a computer-generated puzzle.
Yes, that's a good point.
I allow people to copy my puzzles and I did once offer them for use in a sudoku competition but they were not selected.
I imagine that was because they were only 9x9 classic puzzles and they were already in the public domain.
I know the kind of hand-crafted puzzles you are talking about as I run a group on Facebook and some of the members post their own puzzles there.
I'm not at that level myself unfortunately.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Sun 28 Feb, 2021 8:37 pm

GarethMoore wrote:
Sat 06 Feb, 2021 3:23 am
I can't see why they would be hard to computer generate anyway, and the newspaper ones presumably are. Its easy to make a random solution grid and then you just need a simple brute force solver to allow you to remove given letters to the limit of uniqueness, or test for uniqueness with a fixed given pattern.

You can of course also make them without actual words, as for example in this one with just a single clue:
https://www.reddit.com/r/puzzles/commen ... _the_2020/

Lots of computer-generated ones on this site: http://www.puzzles.grosse.is-a-geek.com ... gen6b.html
I don't know if the gogen puzzles in the Evening Standard and Daily Mail are computer generated.
I have tried to correspond with them to see if they might buy some of mine but so far they have not answered.
If they are computer generated, I'm surprised I haven't seen them elsewhere.

Yes, I have seen that puzzle with one clue before.

The puzzles produced by Paul Grosse are slightly different to mine in that the clues include random strings of letters.
I can see how it would be easy to write a program to create these as you just need to select enough strings of letters to ensure a unique solution.
My own gogen puzzles only use real-word clues.

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Tue 02 Mar, 2021 9:30 pm

Here is another gogen puzzle for you to try:
https://andrewspuzzles.blogspot.com/202 ... -no-3.html

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by eratosthenes » Mon 05 Apr, 2021 7:46 pm

Neat! These are quite cool like reverse Boggle, I like it :)

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Re: A Gogen Puzzle I Created Myself

Post by Andrew Reid » Mon 05 Apr, 2021 9:40 pm

Thank you.

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